I would usually leave a few at the bottom to get an early warning signal about deficiencies as some of them tend to be seen on the lowest leaves first.
No stretching really. I can see it’s going to be all on top. I’m pretty funked about this grow. It started out nice. Flipped to late and not enough experience/light power. Hopefully it stretches in the next week when flower starts. But it looks pretty pathetic after over a week in 12/12.
It took mine over a week to really start stretching
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Through all this concern about my plant I realized today that I never adjusted the light height. 
I’ve brought it down and should see some different results. 
silly me.
I’m looking for 2x4 light options? Any thoughts 
I’m looking at the mars hydro and infinity. Infinity has the new evo. But about 100$ more.
The mars hydro has removable drivers. Infinity doesn’t. What light do you have?@ChicagoCypher_CC
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See what happens when the light is lower? Geez 
I’m glad I caught it now.
Took some fans only. Should start seeing some lighting and thunder soon.
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Spider Farmer G4500
What model numbers are you looking at for the Mars and Infinity?
Mars Hydro 2023 New TSL2000 300 Watt Led Grow Lights for Indoor Plants, Sunlike Full Spectrum Dimmable Daisy Chain Growing Lamps for Hydroponics Seedling Veg Bloom in 4x2/5x3 Grow Tent Greenhouses Amazon.com
AC Infinity IONFRAME EVO3, Samsung LM301H EVO Bar LED Grow Light 2x4, 840 Diodes, with Schedule Controller, 280W Full-Spectrum Commercial Plant Lights for Indoor Growing in Grow Rooms & Greenhouses Amazon.com
I’m leaning on this or the TLS200.
Now yours is very nice as well.
SPIDER FARMER 2023 Newest G4500 Cost-effective 430W LED Grow Lights Full Spectrum Dimmable Bar Style Led Growing Lamp for Indoor Plants 2x4, 3x5 Coverage Amazon.com
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California lightworks sunbeam very bright you will need exhaust fan
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Done. New light and driver extension on it’s way.
Merry Christmas 
to me.
I got a WELCOME $50 off coupon from growershouse.
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Just now showing signs of flower.
2wks of 12/12. Removed a couple fans. Also after reading nebula’s tutorial @ChicagoCypher_CC I was removing sites in transition and early flower thinking I was removing lower sites that wouldn’t produce when only fans are removed in these stages. Makes sense why you left only a few nodes when transitioning.
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Wow. I should just keep my mouth shut and follow directions. Here I thought I should of flipped earlier but now you can’t tell what I thought. Agh I just need to relax. I do have my hands full here with my wife and I both having surgery and trying to take care of each other. I had tennis elbow surgery and can’t really use my left arm for much and she can’t bend over or lift anything over 5lbs. It’s been comical at times especially doing laundry and cooking 
Before defoliation.
Day 5 of actual signs of flower.
After defoliation. I believe it’s going to be very successful at this point. Thanks for the excellent training tutorial @ChicagoCypher_CC
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nice gift 
can’t wait to see the product it makes 
i heard good things about those lights at the local hydro store
i personally like a higher PPFD map level but not sure how much difference it makes 
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How is the new light
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Still the old one. The new one is back ordered to December.
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When all that lower grow comes back during first couple weeks of flower do you trim it all of at 21 days or a little at a time
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I’ve read this more than a few times. Unless something better comes along this training and trimming technique that @ChicagoCypher_CC shared is the only way for me now.
Read carefully it’s pretty simple.
As you can see in the picture there is no dark spots. You only remove fans at this stage. And they won’t come back. I will let it go unless a fan or two needs to be removed.
It’s a good site. Much information.
I got an idea when I take a photo before trimming I could see clearly from the photo what leaves needed to be removed. Like shadows and dark spots. Better than from my eye. This site gave me the idea as he highlighted some fans that need to be removed and I just kinda noticed the shadows in my pictures.
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